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		<title>By: Russell</title>
		<link>http://noncompositional.com/2006/06/no-crime-just-politeness/comment-page-1/#comment-1091</link>
		<dc:creator>Russell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Jun 2006 17:26:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Well, I&#039;m not entirely sure that I (personally) would use italics, caps, or *s to indicate that hedging meaning, mostly because they seem vague between a whole bunch of meanings that would be inappropriate -- but, like I said, scare quotes are always possible. But they make for a pretty shoddy apology. And I&#039;m assuming that Beebe was indeed trying to apologize for what he did. I&#039;m not sure why he kept not using the word &quot;rape.&quot;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Let&#039;s say he was so ashamed that he couldn&#039;t bring himself to attribute the word to his own actions. After Seccuro explicitly said she wanted him to call a spade a spade, he probably felt that he couldn&#039;t just keep on sending messages that used roundabout terms. At the same time he (let&#039;s say) might have felt that  since the topic of his language had been breached, he felt more able to use the word (I&#039;m not sure Seccuro&#039;s e-mail was actually the first instance of the word &quot;rape&quot; in the entire conversation; if not, then this part is probably not relevant). His lawyer wants to say that rather than now feeling more able to use the word, he merely went along with her categorization of the event in deference to her being the apologizee.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Then you have to ask: first, how likely is it that he was really just being polite? and second, does it even matter if he was doing that, or can just the words &quot;I did [rape you]&quot; say all there is to say? I agree that the &lt;em&gt;lack&lt;/em&gt; of hedging material (like scare quotes) is an important point against his case. So if you want to accept the argument that he was being polite, then you have to ask: did the context of the sentence preclude the use of such punctuation, even if it &quot;should&quot; have been there?&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;But, fortunately, there&#039;s other evidence besides just the communications (like submitted eye-witness accounts and other written records from the time, not to mention what Seccuro has to say about it), so in the end it may not matter why he never used the word &quot;rape&quot; until he did; the mere fact that he admitted to any inappropriate sexual conduct is enough.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, I&#8217;m not entirely sure that I (personally) would use italics, caps, or *s to indicate that hedging meaning, mostly because they seem vague between a whole bunch of meanings that would be inappropriate &#8212; but, like I said, scare quotes are always possible. But they make for a pretty shoddy apology. And I&#8217;m assuming that Beebe was indeed trying to apologize for what he did. I&#8217;m not sure why he kept not using the word &#8220;rape.&#8221;</p>

<p>Let&#8217;s say he was so ashamed that he couldn&#8217;t bring himself to attribute the word to his own actions. After Seccuro explicitly said she wanted him to call a spade a spade, he probably felt that he couldn&#8217;t just keep on sending messages that used roundabout terms. At the same time he (let&#8217;s say) might have felt that  since the topic of his language had been breached, he felt more able to use the word (I&#8217;m not sure Seccuro&#8217;s e-mail was actually the first instance of the word &#8220;rape&#8221; in the entire conversation; if not, then this part is probably not relevant). His lawyer wants to say that rather than now feeling more able to use the word, he merely went along with her categorization of the event in deference to her being the apologizee.</p>

<p>Then you have to ask: first, how likely is it that he was really just being polite? and second, does it even matter if he was doing that, or can just the words &#8220;I did [rape you]&#8221; say all there is to say? I agree that the <em>lack</em> of hedging material (like scare quotes) is an important point against his case. So if you want to accept the argument that he was being polite, then you have to ask: did the context of the sentence preclude the use of such punctuation, even if it &#8220;should&#8221; have been there?</p>

<p>But, fortunately, there&#8217;s other evidence besides just the communications (like submitted eye-witness accounts and other written records from the time, not to mention what Seccuro has to say about it), so in the end it may not matter why he never used the word &#8220;rape&#8221; until he did; the mere fact that he admitted to any inappropriate sexual conduct is enough.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: polyglot conspiracy</title>
		<link>http://noncompositional.com/2006/06/no-crime-just-politeness/comment-page-1/#comment-1090</link>
		<dc:creator>polyglot conspiracy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Jun 2006 13:24:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Uh, he basically said &quot;I did [rape you].&quot;  I don&#039;t think any argument for his innocence is going to be able to get around that.  If he didn&#039;t agree with &quot;rape&quot; as the right word to use, he could easily have chosen a different word.  He didn&#039;t have to put a word to it at all, or he could have used something vague like &quot;hurt.&quot;  He also could have put it in &lt;i&gt;italics&lt;/i&gt; or CAPS or &lt;em&gt;asterisks&lt;/em&gt; to indicate that he wasn&#039;t using it without questioning it - there are ways to do that in writing, they&#039;re just different from doing it in speech.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Uh, he basically said &#8220;I did [rape you].&#8221;  I don&#8217;t think any argument for his innocence is going to be able to get around that.  If he didn&#8217;t agree with &#8220;rape&#8221; as the right word to use, he could easily have chosen a different word.  He didn&#8217;t have to put a word to it at all, or he could have used something vague like &#8220;hurt.&#8221;  He also could have put it in <i>italics</i> or CAPS or <em>asterisks</em> to indicate that he wasn&#8217;t using it without questioning it &#8211; there are ways to do that in writing, they&#8217;re just different from doing it in speech.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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