Comments on: No, yeah http://noncompositional.com/2006/09/no-yeah/ Sun, 14 Mar 2010 07:21:58 -0400 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.1 hourly 1 By: polyglot conspiracy » Double the conjunction http://noncompositional.com/2006/09/no-yeah/comment-page-1/#comment-18671 polyglot conspiracy » Double the conjunction Tue, 03 Jul 2007 21:06:28 +0000 http://noncompositional.com/2006/09/no-yeah/#comment-18671 <p>[...] has “also too”? What about “and but” or “also but”? What about “no yeah”? What about “and so” or “so but”? I have all of these. Hell, I think I even [...]</p> [...] has “also too”? What about “and but” or “also but”? What about “no yeah”? What about “and so” or “so but”? I have all of these. Hell, I think I even [...]

]]> By: Russell http://noncompositional.com/2006/09/no-yeah/comment-page-1/#comment-2182 Russell Sat, 23 Sep 2006 00:57:19 +0000 http://noncompositional.com/2006/09/no-yeah/#comment-2182 <p>Jane: thanks so much for the link and article! The latter has a lot of interesting cases, though as usual I'm left feeling a little empty by the conversation analysis sort of explanation. And it's interesting (and a little disappointing ;-p) that several commenters on the Hat's article also got the same sort of generalization that me and my friend got for "yeah, no." One said, "It's kind of a dramatic device, anticipating an imaginary objection from the audience." And also John Hardy's "the 'yeah' is to acknowledge the possible validity of the other person's remark, the 'no' to deflect its implications." Hmm...I'll have to look for more different uses of "yeah no/no yeah", or find counter examples. =)</p> <p>PC: hmm, I hadn't considered the possibility of cutting one's self off, or perhaps doing a sort of hedgy back-off. It certainly seems that way in some cases, though. Actually, the article in the AJOL says that one use of "yeah no" is a sort of "return to original topic" marker, which I think might be compatible with a sort of backtracking/cutting off function...maybe. I think I'll have to write up a paper on this; that's the only way I can motivate myself to try and figure everything out. (as though that's ever possible in linguistics)</p> Jane: thanks so much for the link and article! The latter has a lot of interesting cases, though as usual I’m left feeling a little empty by the conversation analysis sort of explanation. And it’s interesting (and a little disappointing ;-p) that several commenters on the Hat’s article also got the same sort of generalization that me and my friend got for “yeah, no.” One said, “It’s kind of a dramatic device, anticipating an imaginary objection from the audience.” And also John Hardy’s “the ‘yeah’ is to acknowledge the possible validity of the other person’s remark, the ‘no’ to deflect its implications.” Hmm…I’ll have to look for more different uses of “yeah no/no yeah”, or find counter examples. =)

PC: hmm, I hadn’t considered the possibility of cutting one’s self off, or perhaps doing a sort of hedgy back-off. It certainly seems that way in some cases, though. Actually, the article in the AJOL says that one use of “yeah no” is a sort of “return to original topic” marker, which I think might be compatible with a sort of backtracking/cutting off function…maybe. I think I’ll have to write up a paper on this; that’s the only way I can motivate myself to try and figure everything out. (as though that’s ever possible in linguistics)

]]> By: Jane http://noncompositional.com/2006/09/no-yeah/comment-page-1/#comment-2177 Jane Fri, 22 Sep 2006 10:26:41 +0000 http://noncompositional.com/2006/09/no-yeah/#comment-2177 <p>Check Language hjat: http://www.languagehat.com/archives/001395.php</p> <p>and</p> <p>BURRIDGE, KATE and FLOREY, MARGARET. 2002. 'Yeah-no he's a good kid': A discourse analysis of yeah-no in Australian English. Australian Journal of Linguistics, 22.149-71.</p> Check Language hjat: http://www.languagehat.com/archives/001395.php

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BURRIDGE, KATE and FLOREY, MARGARET. 2002. ‘Yeah-no he’s a good kid’: A discourse analysis of yeah-no in Australian English. Australian Journal of Linguistics, 22.149-71.

]]> By: polyglot conspiracy http://noncompositional.com/2006/09/no-yeah/comment-page-1/#comment-2118 polyglot conspiracy Thu, 21 Sep 2006 01:39:40 +0000 http://noncompositional.com/2006/09/no-yeah/#comment-2118 <p>Whoah, this is awesome. I say both of these all the time (and they often go with "that's right," as in "Yeah, no, that's right," or "No, yeah, that's right"). I am sitting here trying to think of what distinguishes the two when I use them, and it's tricky. I think it is context-specific (what isn't, of course), because which one comes first and which one carries the intended meaning depends on what it's responding to. So in the first quote (Mike Reid), the "no" seems to be cutting himself off from his first thought and getting himself on track to start a second one. "No" often acts transitionally between clauses like this, I've noticed: "I was going to go to the store yesterday but no, (yeah,) I'm going downtown today" or "Well, E.coli is proving difficult to deal with, but no, (yeah,) the FDA is a terrific organization." It somehow indicates that what you were saying isn't really what you were meaning to say, and lets you redirect yourself, and then start out the new thought with "yeah." In your example, "yeah" might perform similarly to switch thoughts (you were going to say "yeah that's right I have homework"), except that your "no" is actually a "no" of negation. Maybe in your example it's the introductory (though it didn't end up getting to introduce anything) "yeah" that's important.</p> <p>Also? It could just be a hedgy discourse marker.</p> Whoah, this is awesome. I say both of these all the time (and they often go with “that’s right,” as in “Yeah, no, that’s right,” or “No, yeah, that’s right”). I am sitting here trying to think of what distinguishes the two when I use them, and it’s tricky. I think it is context-specific (what isn’t, of course), because which one comes first and which one carries the intended meaning depends on what it’s responding to. So in the first quote (Mike Reid), the “no” seems to be cutting himself off from his first thought and getting himself on track to start a second one. “No” often acts transitionally between clauses like this, I’ve noticed: “I was going to go to the store yesterday but no, (yeah,) I’m going downtown today” or “Well, E.coli is proving difficult to deal with, but no, (yeah,) the FDA is a terrific organization.” It somehow indicates that what you were saying isn’t really what you were meaning to say, and lets you redirect yourself, and then start out the new thought with “yeah.” In your example, “yeah” might perform similarly to switch thoughts (you were going to say “yeah that’s right I have homework”), except that your “no” is actually a “no” of negation. Maybe in your example it’s the introductory (though it didn’t end up getting to introduce anything) “yeah” that’s important.

Also? It could just be a hedgy discourse marker.

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